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  Why this obsession with Standardisation?

  by eyeslice2 in

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  the longer i am out, the the less i understand the logic of this organisation.. i thought that the kingdom hall my wife attends was perfectly fine and adequate, in fact i liked that it sat in grassy grounds, surrounded by trees.

  it probably wasn't in any dire need of re-decorating at this point.

  others, obviously, thought otherwise and so the hall has recently been subjected to a make-over.. the parking lot has been extended in true joni michell they've "paved paradise and put up a parking lot".

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  Blondie

  At a KH build the original chairs ordered were cancelled and another type ordered. It turned out that the elder who did this picked cheaper chairs and kept the difference. He did this without consulting anyone, and no one was brave enough to challenge him

  I don't know the details but some years back (12 yrs maybe) something similar happened in ours. Wonder if it was for the same reason?

  Anyway they've just replaced the chairs in what was my cong BUT there are less of them and they have to be arranged in a certain fashion. The number of chairs is based on the average number attending and if you aren't in in time you have to sit in a different room. I think they are doing this to make sure people feel they have to get there early to grab the best chairs.

  Someone asked why they couldn't buy a few more chairs so there were plenty to go round. They were told it would not be fair on the African brothers because 1 extra chair bought for a UK cong could by whatever for the African brothers. So someone suggested buying the chairs from Africa because they are cheaper there.

  Bottom line is - get there early or no chair.
  
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  "Love Never Fails" ... Really ?

  by Finkelstein in

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  " love never fails " is the main assembly headline for this years district assemblies for the jws and what a contrived lark that is .

  the jws leaders have created doctrines to which the organization's followers obeyed accordingly which have killed thousands , destroyed families and indirectly caused numerous suicides.

  these men have instituted such doctrines such as refusing blood transfusions, vaccinations and organ transplants at one time, they still uphold the no blood transfusion doctrine though.

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  Hi iwantoutnow

  People use the word 'shun' and it means one thing to them. To others it means something else, so I'm making the point that the negative aspects of shunning need to be clearly defined because on occasion it is wise to not have anything to do with some people.

  Here's an example of what I mean using another word, the word discrimiate. Now if someone discrimiates against a person that's viewed as bad. But what if you discriminate when you choose a team member who you think will help you win a game? Or a discriminating art dealer who chooses to invest in a valuable painting.

  The word discriminate immediatly makes people think of negative things but there are positive things too. Similarly with shunning, you might immediatly associate the word with negative things but there are times when its a positive thing.

  Hi Finkelstein - I don't I just know - I was df'd a few weeks ago for saying 1914 is a lie.
  
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  "Love Never Fails" ... Really ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  " love never fails " is the main assembly headline for this years district assemblies for the jws and what a contrived lark that is .

  the jws leaders have created doctrines to which the organization's followers obeyed accordingly which have killed thousands , destroyed families and indirectly caused numerous suicides.

  these men have instituted such doctrines such as refusing blood transfusions, vaccinations and organ transplants at one time, they still uphold the no blood transfusion doctrine though.

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  Hi Finkelstein
  

  Even if you see and witness someones behavior reckless and harmful to themselves and others you dont or shouldn't stop all contact to these people, not in today's understanding of human psychology .

  Jesus ate with sinners but he was in control where and when he needed to be.

  I watched a program once on a girl speaking to her father who had been abusing her. He wouldn't stop and she said these words to him, "dad I love you but I wish you would stop doing the things you are doing to me."

  Now that girl, presumably removed herself or was removed from her father's presence. Until he changed his behaviour, how much interaction could she have with him?

  Change the crime to theft, drug dealing or whatever. If you help someone and that is the life they live, their economy, their household, so to speak. How are they going to thank you for anything you do for them as a friend? Invite you to a drugs party? Make you a gift of something that doesn't belong to them?

  Sometimes you have to step back from people, otherwise you are making a victim or yourself or you are potentially on the road to getting involved with wrong doing.

  People can put themselves in positions where you can't help them.
  
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  Why this obsession with Standardisation?

  by eyeslice2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the longer i am out, the the less i understand the logic of this organisation.. i thought that the kingdom hall my wife attends was perfectly fine and adequate, in fact i liked that it sat in grassy grounds, surrounded by trees.

  it probably wasn't in any dire need of re-decorating at this point.

  others, obviously, thought otherwise and so the hall has recently been subjected to a make-over.. the parking lot has been extended in true joni michell they've "paved paradise and put up a parking lot".

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  A KH make-over suggests they wanted to sell it but something is preventing it. So they get the cong to donate funds for a make-over.

  They did a similar thing with the chairs at, what was, my KH, until I was thrown out for saying the number 19 is followed by the number 20, not the number 2. Maybe they want to standardise maths with their own particular order of numbers with newly assigned values.

  My maths teacher became a Watchtower user. When I tried to point at the anomalies to her she became indignant and said if I carried on like this I would stumble her out of the truth.
  
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  "Love Never Fails" ... Really ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  " love never fails " is the main assembly headline for this years district assemblies for the jws and what a contrived lark that is .

  the jws leaders have created doctrines to which the organization's followers obeyed accordingly which have killed thousands , destroyed families and indirectly caused numerous suicides.

  these men have instituted such doctrines such as refusing blood transfusions, vaccinations and organ transplants at one time, they still uphold the no blood transfusion doctrine though.

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  Anna Marina

  Or

  Love Never Fails So We Will Keep You Spiritually Clean From It

  Or

  Love Never Fails But Our Interpretations Of Prophecy Do
  
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  In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

  by nonjwspouse in

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  this happened yesterday.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

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  Thank you Blondie. I appreciate that. It's very interesting.
  
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  In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

  by nonjwspouse in

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  this happened yesterday.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

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  Hi Blondie

  I'm not suggesting any wrong doing in socialising just wondering how it would affect things if Angus Stewart was a judge over similar matters. Could WBTS refuse to have him as a judge in future court cases or do they have no choice?

  I have never heard of a judicial group. Do judges also have judicial groups or is it just solicitors?
  
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  In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this happened yesterday.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

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  I wonder why Angus Stewart went? I know the role he played, what I mean is it must have been difficult to contact him. Isn't he a judge now?

  Does one of the party know him personally?
  
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  Two JW`s called at my door today

  by smiddy3 in

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  the wife and i were expecting a health worker to call at our door 10:30 this morning and about 10;35 two women appeared at our door so i opened up thinking they were who i expected ,so i was take back a bit being caught off guard when they identified themselves as doing a bible work.. this is just the gist of what took place & not a word for word conversation.. a woman about in her fifties her companion about her twenties.the older woman did most of the talking as she read to me the scripture from her phone " in the last days critical times hard to deal with...etc.etc.and she went back and emphasised that we were living in the last days because of what that scripture said.. i made the comment that the scripture just about sums up human history in any given time.then i went on to say that this day and age is the best time in human history overall given the advances in technology ,medical procedures ,the overall standard of living being higher and so on .but they insisted on we were living in the last days.then i said different religions have been claiming that for the past couple hundred years.. then to throw them a curve ball i asked if they were mormons ?

  oh no we are jehovah`s witnesses.had i been prepared for them and not caught out unawares i would have taken a different tact.i then asked the older woman how long she has been a witness and she said 36 years so i then said to her you must have seen a lot of changes in your religion during that time which she agreed with.

  ( the light gets brighter).

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  Hi Smiddy

  I then asked the older woman how long she has been a witness and she said 36 years so I then said to her you must have seen a lot of changes in your religion during that time which she agreed with.

  That remindes me of Theocratic Min School. If the householder is elderly say, "you must have seen a lot of changes in your time."
  
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  Do Celebrities Influence You In Making Your Decisions?

  by minimus in

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  whether it be sports athletes or hollywood heavyweights or talk show hosts—do these people influence your thinking?.

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  This man had some interesting views. He anticipated relativity before Einstein. Also influenced Sigmund Freud's nephew (who gave us PR), Adolph Hitler and Mussolini - plus one or two others:-
  

  Le Bon theorised that the new entity, the "psychological crowd", which emerges from incorporating the assembled population not only forms a new body but also creates a collective "unconsciousness". As a group of people gather together and coalesces to form a crowd, there is a "magnetic influence given out by the crowd" that transmutes every individual's behaviour until it becomes governed by the "group mind". This model treats the crowd as a unit in its composition which robs every individual member of their opinions, values and beliefs; as Le Bon states: "An individual in a crowd is a grain of sand amid other grains of sand, which the wind stirs up at will".

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Le_Bon